PLAN Bay Area: Housing ElementPosted: April 23, 2013
(we) attended a Supervisor Adams house party tonight to discuss the Housing Element.
David Curtis The consensus in the room was some number of sites (are) green lighted, less than 200 units, mix of affordable/market rate housing. 3 story height limit.
Jimmy Fishbob Geraghty What about people outside the room? What did they think?
DC 200 of them get houses (in theory), the number is subject to change, it depends on the actual projects (like I have been saying for some months now.) I think the final number will be 200-500 get houses. (in theory) I gave her (Susan Adams) your messages don’t worry. She called me “Dave” though, which pisses me off.
JFG Never miss an opportunity to get pissed off. I’m surprised you missed the ABAG-MTC EIR comment meeting…I would’ve thought that stuff right up your alley.
DC (I’ve got competing meetings up the wazoo) Everyone in the room agrees that (any) school addition needs to be built in to the budget. The EIR is 1500 pages, have you read it? I am reading it still. It (The EIR) is mostly BS. My comment is: reject the EIR, build the (redacted) houses. Local control of the building of the (redacted) houses.
JFG The schools have a problem already, the poor people are not going to bail you out, rally to stop the screwing in that neighborhood…I’m not complaining about it. We always have local control… that nonsense is just a myth.
DC The builders of the houses will pay for the schools, period. As will the tax payers…as always. Developers pay for the schools. Basic concepts. This whole exercise is non-sense. Unfunded state-mandated BS. MANY people have tried to develop the properties. The ball has been dropped like ten times now. (Some of) The developers were there in the room. Got the whole thing. (Some of) The developers were there in the room. Got the whole thing.
JFG Depends on the laws, right now prop 13 lets newcomers support the old-timers and affordable developers have a pass, the price communities pay for not taking care of business.
DC Hoyt f-ed one of the sites with his ghetto dry cleaning business.
JFG Which developers were in the room?
DC (Susan has a list) Lucas got fed up with the Nimbys.
JFG LOL, to keep the white shirts pressed for the oppressors.
DC Yeah, I have to type up the notes.
DC I think (name) recorded it.
JFG Was this a house meeting and was everyone aware of the recording?
DC This was a house meeting, some number were aware of the recording, two, I think two were aware of the recording. (Name) was sitting there holding her phone so, some number with IQs were aware of it. About 20 in the room total.
JFG I think that is illegal, everyone holds their phones in meetings nowadays. You need mind-reading skills to know what people are doing with them, not IQs.
DC I have no control over what an attorney does with her personal phone dude. Basic stuff. It was a private house meeting. The rules don’t apply here. Just like the fake (POTUS) debates…We could have handcuffed Adams to a chair. Totally legal.
JFG That is exactly where rules apply, public meetings are open game…
DC The house makes the rules. Just like Vegas.
JFG We know you have no control over her…
DC I took notes with a pen. Ask (name), she’s the attorney. I just make pretty drawings. The schools are maxed out. The developer pays for the schools. Which means Bridge is OUT. (One could be) begging some developers to submit plans now. But they won’t given the PLAN BS. The developers are saying Hoyt pays for clean up. Hoyt is a cheapskate, supposedly. Everybody is going to sit on their hands until the PLAN vote. Susan is only one vote, have to talk to two more Supes. Not in my job description at that point. (The Nimby’s are freaked out I took notes…LOL) Heavily FREAKING NIMBY ACTION LIVE RIGHT NOW.
WM A nonprofit developer like Bridge does not need to pay for schools. Just like all the people living in Marinwood and Terra Linda were not required to build schools when there homes were built, thus creating the need for new schools. What you are proposing is absurd.
DC What is it you think I am proposing?
WM Bridge already bought the land. It would be very sad if they were in fact out because they are very skilled residential developers. The website you linked to was a very confusing conversation between you and Jimmy, but it appeared you suggested developers pay for new schools.
DC What I am suggesting will be coming through an attorney (not a posted blog conversation). I am a residential designer. I like houses.
WM Then what is your objection to Bridge?
DC OUT is too strong a word.
WM Alrighty, what is the best word then?
DC My objection is with a blanket zoning request that HOSES the whole County. The County is being hosed. HOSED is the correct word.
WM These are intentionally cryptic, meaningless sentences. Why don’t you just say what you mean exactly.
David Curtis The state-mandated zone overlay is a hose job. Is that clear?
DC 700 units in my ‘hood is a hose job. 200 units = not a hose job. Pretty Hills, the nimbys like the pretty hills.
WM I think the overlay zone in general is an excellent zoning designation, and I followed the county housing element quite closely for some time, I’m not sure what site you are referring to that calls for 700 units or even 200 units. What are you specifically talking about, St. Vincent’s?
DC 15 sites (total) in Lucas Valley Marinwood = 700 Units = Hose Job. Adams says it is down to 170 units = no hose job. (Hence the posting of the FB discussion)
WM The sites in your area are the Bridge site in Marinwood, St Vincent’s and Lucas. Of those, only Marinwood has a chance in hell of being developed, so NO HOSE JOB.
DC (my comments are reflective of the) X number of people yelling on various websites.
DC YEAH NO HOSE JOBS! VIVA THE REPUBLIC! (imagine crowd chanting)
WM I don’t know how to respond since these are phrases that don’t seem to contain any clear meaning.
DC I agree with you, 200 units = no hose job, (but) 3000+ people agree to 170 UNITS (so we are maybe close to a deal-e-o)
DC (40yr resident Nimby’s) Here are (some) goals of Lucas Valley/Marinwood residents:
1. Protect the open space.
2. Cleanup Marinwood Plaza site.
3. Build 170 market rate/ affordable housing units.